Puzzling Question ? are we really being hunted at all ?

[Raz0r]

Hello everyone,well after studying for exams and taking a brief break ,I started to think .... If the USA,China,England spend millions,if not billions on improving security and finding "hackers" where is all that money going to ? I mean...anyone can simply type the word hack and find info on google ,yahoo,bing,webcrawler and yet they are being paid millions just to find us and "erase our breeding grounds" but that dosen't make sense.I have come to a conclusion.....I don't think they want to get rid of us....well not right away.I think you "hackers" are being used as a scapegoat for more money, I mean think about it ,any person can go and join a so called "hacking" forum and almost instantly surrounded by copyright software (not that thats a bad thing.....well in my book) and source code for rats,trojans etc.. so then again a fed can do that, an antivirus employee can get potential source code or behaviour patterns of avoiding AV detection, I mean the possibilities are endless , if these guys are being paid millions to erase us why are we still around "hacking" on crappy machines compared to those that the governments have???

This is just thinking outloud and some food for thought.......

[DNR]

law enforcement does not work well pro-active. They respond after a crime has been commited, out of sake of privacy, juridiction, and even funding to do investigations.

In the USA, the Federal Crime Stats are still about 54% - meaning 50% are caught, taken to trial, and then sentenced to prison. Thats 50% that don't.

With information - like lost credit card information or private stuff - some companies do not report it - they do their own investigations, and fire the person. They don't want their stocks to crash because the market thinks they got holes in their networks.

DNR

[bad_brain]

security is a big business. no threats == no money.
it has never been proven, but the manufacturers of antivirus programs are also suspected of releasing viruses. also ask yourself why people that published "successful" viruses are often hired by AV companies afterwards....imo not because they are needed to make things more secure, AV companies more want to know how to keep a specific level of insecurity to make people buy their stuff.

the "hackers" they are really after are the ones that cause financial damages to the big companies, and if it is just by copyright violation.

[Raz0r]

security is a big business. no threats == no money.

hmmmm.......so we are a cash cow afterall.

law enforcement does not work well pro-active. They respond after a crime has been commited, out of sake of privacy, juridiction, and even funding to do investigations.

privacy...really ?? I was under the assumption that privacy is no longer an obstacle for the law enforcement anymore.Thanks for all the feedback everyone,this will keep me in deep thought for a while.

[Hiram]

Security aims threats.
If you become a formidable opponent in sight, you face the action.
For example; Americans are looking for Bin Laden because he is
a global threat beyond just a possibility.

[DNR]

I think we are beyond Bin Laden. How is his kidneys feeling?

DNR

[pseudo_opcode]

Hello everyone,well after studying for exams and taking a brief break ,I started to think .... If the USA,China,England spend millions,if not billions on improving security and finding "hackers" where is all that money going to ? I mean...anyone can simply type the word hack and find info on google ,yahoo,bing,webcrawler and yet they are being paid millions just to find us and "erase our breeding grounds" but that dosen't make sense.I have come to a conclusion.....I don't think they want to get rid of us....well not right away.I think you "hackers" are being used as a scapegoat for more money, I mean think about it ,any person can go and join a so called "hacking" forum and almost instantly surrounded by copyright software (not that thats a bad thing.....well in my book) and source code for rats,trojans etc.. so then again a fed can do that, an antivirus employee can get potential source code or behaviour patterns of avoiding AV detection, I mean the possibilities are endless , if these guys are being paid millions to erase us why are we still around "hacking" on crappy machines compared to those that the governments have???

This is just thinking outloud and some food for thought.......

hacking is similar to combat just like guns, tools, training, can be provided, ethics cant.
both can be used for good, bad and sport.
Why you keep guns and get training? Because you love it? because it might help you protect yourself someday? because it is cool? because it is your job? because you are a wannabe superhero? because you are a psycho serial killer? is upto you.

That doesnt make guns or combat training in itself bad. But i wish i could say the same for jihad training camps... but they do exist.. right?

[Edit: duh,realized i just necro'ed a thread ]

[DNR]

I liked the point Pse.

There will be sheep (general population)
there will be wolves (the criminals)
and there will be lions (the fighters of wolves)

Lions can decide if they are protecting the sheep, or just hunting for fun.

-DN

[Hiram]

I think it depends who has what!
There are things which may signify malice. For example
RATs. Why would someone seek access to another's
computer, that is without authorization?
If I see William with Uranium, I just remain skeptical what
he would use it for; but then Mohamed... Oh my God!
Uranium is not Marmalade!