How to Deal with the dead
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How to Deal with the dead
This doesn't look too good for the army this being past around. It is meant to be an email intercepted between soldiers regarding the image of troops urinating on a dead body.
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Since it's not my war I can't really comment about it. All I will say is: so much about the image of elite troops they are propagating around the world.
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Agree with ph0, not my war (even though troops from my country are down there).
But yeah, so much for their image.
But it's the same in all wars, people get fucked up and do fucked up things.
Not defending them in anyway, what they did was fucking disgusting, and what they are talking about is as well, but it's the same in every war.
People think that every little person in the land which they are attacking, is their enemy, so they justify their actions by saying that it's the evil enemy, thus they deserve it.
Some people are fucking assholes, though.
But yeah, so much for their image.
But it's the same in all wars, people get fucked up and do fucked up things.
Not defending them in anyway, what they did was fucking disgusting, and what they are talking about is as well, but it's the same in every war.
People think that every little person in the land which they are attacking, is their enemy, so they justify their actions by saying that it's the evil enemy, thus they deserve it.
Some people are fucking assholes, though.
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well, of course that's not a honorable way, but the image of a clean and honorable war is just a myth...no matter where, no matter what war.
things like those are nothing but a proof of how war destroys the mind of people. you can be the most nice guy with such high moral standards, after you have spent weeks and weeks in a situation where you can die every second and where you have seen friends of yours die you will become a different person....and nobody that haven't been in the same situation himself has the slightest right to judge imo.
the ones to blame are not the soldiers, it's all the fault of the people at home behind their safe desks that start such wars.
things like those are nothing but a proof of how war destroys the mind of people. you can be the most nice guy with such high moral standards, after you have spent weeks and weeks in a situation where you can die every second and where you have seen friends of yours die you will become a different person....and nobody that haven't been in the same situation himself has the slightest right to judge imo.
the ones to blame are not the soldiers, it's all the fault of the people at home behind their safe desks that start such wars.
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bad_brain wrote:well, of course that's not a honorable way, but the image of a clean and honorable war is just a myth...no matter where, no matter what war.
things like those are nothing but a proof of how war destroys the mind of people. you can be the most nice guy with such high moral standards, after you have spent weeks and weeks in a situation where you can die every second and where you have seen friends of yours die you will become a different person....and nobody that haven't been in the same situation himself has the slightest right to judge imo.
the ones to blame are not the soldiers, it's all the fault of the people at home behind their safe desks that start such wars.
Yeah, that's true ...
It's the fault of the people behind the desk, deciding stuff.
War creates sick people.
I wonder what we are fighting over at the moment though, Usama Bin Ladin and Sadam Hussein are both in hell .... who are we hunting now? : |
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word.bad_brain wrote:and nobody that haven't been in the same situation himself has the slightest right to judge imo. .
It's difficult to look past an action that is socially reprehensible (like urinating on a body) and seeing it as anything more than a desecration; but war is an ugly practice, and when you are surrounded by that ugliness, you are damaged by it, and your morals change.
The real outrage is that the soldiers that need it, may never get the help they need to work through and compartmentalize those kinds of feelings and return to the society that judges them so harshly.
I'm not defending the action, I should mention... I just see it from a different angle. Also I'm not justifying all such actions, as Cats mentioned some people are just assholes
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Get the video "Severe Clear"
QFT - "if you weren't there, you don't get to complain"
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I was quite upset yesterday and after thinking things through decided that my rant needed to be removed from the postings.
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Sorry for ranting That is just a interesting subject
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My stance on war over the years have changed and i am pleased i have talked my son out of joining twice. Not because i wouldn't want him to fight for what is right but as bad_brain stated its not the people fighting the wars its the people that sign these death warrants for all these people then go home to their plush houses playing croquet.
In the UK you can join the army at 15 but not meant to be eligible to go to war until they are 18, sometimes even these regulations are still able to be breached today. Young impressionable people are easily led. Although i can understand the mentality change that is going to happen to these people probably during the most important years of adulthood as they are being programmed to do a 'job'.
What does concern me too is when these young adults have been away and had such life experiences, what happens to them after they have done their tour of duty and the governments no longer have use for them, well they never expected them to either come back or they don't care.
National statistics show that a certain small percentage go on to work in security whether that is a private security or the police. the number that end up on the streets or under medical and mental health supervision orders is touching 80%. Also if these are the type of people that are meant to be out protecting us then i would rather take my own chances.
War is always easier to talk about when its not on your own doorstep, I'm sure we might have different opinions again if we all had a different outlook and upbringing and we actually lived in some of these places.
In the UK you can join the army at 15 but not meant to be eligible to go to war until they are 18, sometimes even these regulations are still able to be breached today. Young impressionable people are easily led. Although i can understand the mentality change that is going to happen to these people probably during the most important years of adulthood as they are being programmed to do a 'job'.
What does concern me too is when these young adults have been away and had such life experiences, what happens to them after they have done their tour of duty and the governments no longer have use for them, well they never expected them to either come back or they don't care.
National statistics show that a certain small percentage go on to work in security whether that is a private security or the police. the number that end up on the streets or under medical and mental health supervision orders is touching 80%. Also if these are the type of people that are meant to be out protecting us then i would rather take my own chances.
War is always easier to talk about when its not on your own doorstep, I'm sure we might have different opinions again if we all had a different outlook and upbringing and we actually lived in some of these places.
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War is an ugly place. I should know, I grew up right in the middle of one, spending practically all my childhood on dodging grenades and all my life enduring the aftereffects of it. Personally I think the US government fucked up big time with that occupation but that's just my opinion.
I know how ugly it can get, and how it affects people. And I don't hold anything they do against them, whether they be Iraqi or US, they need to do what they have to do to preserve their sanity. What pisses me off is that the whole world is portraying the aggressors as impeccably politically correct liberators and the defenders as brutes and barbarians. They are both ugly killing machines. It's very sad for me to see people in army uniforms being honored by the propaganda as people who give their lives for their country because they're not, they're giving their lives for a handful of people sitting somewhere safe not giving two shits about them. They are the ones telling who the enemy is and the soldiers, being the killing machines they are, follow the orders blindly - programmed by the propaganda.
If a war starts here again, now that I'm old enough to join the armed forces, I'll proudly flip off those handful of people with both hands as high as I can, pack my external HDD full of the finest porn and get the fuck out of there. I don't want give my life to those handful of people. But by then the propaganda will have me think differently, they'll hit me with all kinds of negative stuff about the "enemy" and make the handful of people responsible for this higher than life. And I'll just end up another sucker dragged into war by artificial patriotism. And I really really hope that that never happens.
Sorry about the rant, I just really hate war.
I know how ugly it can get, and how it affects people. And I don't hold anything they do against them, whether they be Iraqi or US, they need to do what they have to do to preserve their sanity. What pisses me off is that the whole world is portraying the aggressors as impeccably politically correct liberators and the defenders as brutes and barbarians. They are both ugly killing machines. It's very sad for me to see people in army uniforms being honored by the propaganda as people who give their lives for their country because they're not, they're giving their lives for a handful of people sitting somewhere safe not giving two shits about them. They are the ones telling who the enemy is and the soldiers, being the killing machines they are, follow the orders blindly - programmed by the propaganda.
If a war starts here again, now that I'm old enough to join the armed forces, I'll proudly flip off those handful of people with both hands as high as I can, pack my external HDD full of the finest porn and get the fuck out of there. I don't want give my life to those handful of people. But by then the propaganda will have me think differently, they'll hit me with all kinds of negative stuff about the "enemy" and make the handful of people responsible for this higher than life. And I'll just end up another sucker dragged into war by artificial patriotism. And I really really hope that that never happens.
Sorry about the rant, I just really hate war.
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This is an act which indicates that they wished their enemy something
worse than death. Is it the enemy who is terrible, or the soldiers are
becoming wild?!
worse than death. Is it the enemy who is terrible, or the soldiers are
becoming wild?!