conservative and proud

[Oppconsulting]

My point is, it seems you're too much bothered by what others are thinking about you, or you're feeling the need for someone's approval. You do not need anyone's approval, and if you stop caring about what others think about you, you'll start enjoying life even more. I am not saying dont give damn to anyone.. i am just saying only worry about the ones closest to you, and those who really matter to you, your closest friends, your partner, parents etc.

we all brag to much announce to much and care to much i agree with above why is it so important i dont brag or talk very much about mine nor do i give a shit

society is to focused on what where you stand race creed and all insignificant things

who is the person how does he she act educated or just annoying bad whatever language slang whatever thats what i judge and care not announced beliefs not anything its all shit

who is the person inside not outside not all this other stuff what makes a person is not race creed religion or views no sex preference but the inside the way they act ignorant and all that

world dont see or judge that or focus on that just judgement labels

i love and except everyone every country and am fascinated by cultures and ways like native American i would love to spend a month or so with them i enjoy life and people only people i dont love or like ignorance judgmental unaccepting those people the people who cant see the beauty inside dont take time to see the beauty

good example the net i am always just judged and labeled ignorant because of my typing English whatever you call it

no body ever wants to ask to get to know me or why and i like the ones nice enough to ask to explain better whatever thats enough for me getting to know the real me not as important as kindness and not judging and all the other rude bullshit

on this dam internet

but that will never change life will never change it gets worse as the years go on and as the internet expands that too gets worse

we are all labeled judged and put in these stupid catigorys and bullshit

sorry if this is scattered i hope it at least makes some sense and halfway came out right

[ph0bYx]

And who talks about politics in bars anyway?

Guilty
There aren't as many good things in life as having a beer with a friend(s) and talk about "serious" topics. Especially when you're surrounded by morons who's serious topics include exclusively sports

Good post though, I fully agree!

[computathug]

Fantastic topic, i am teaching at the moment so will answer briefly and continue when i get home.

To me Conservative does not mean Fascist. To me it does mean preservation and i am not a racist but yes i am proud of who I am and where i come from yet I am also disgusted. I would say i am a patriot and would say that i am very very proud of my race and my country as everyone should be of their own. The one thing i do not like is politics and the reason for this is that politics are meant to serve the public but they do not, they only serve the corporations, not the small people in this world like myself and any many others.

Rules are made to be broken and it is only the rich that can break them.

I do not dislike the system which we live in, i think it is just misused and most of this is probably through corruption, i also do not know how we can stop this. I also do not believe in everything that i read in black and white, what i do like is it gives me a different perspective and helps me think outside the box.

The only thing you can change in this world is yourself, it is impossible to change everything around you, although you may be able to influence others.

Is history what we really believe it when we read about it from books? What does the word government mean. Dont look in your normal dictionaries look in law dictionaries when you want real meanings of anything. Govern means to control.

What is GOVERNMENT?
1. The regulation, restraint, supervision, or control which is exercised upon the individual members of an organized jural society by those invested with the supreme political authority, for the good and welfare of the body politic; or the act of exercising supreme political power or control.2. The system of polity in a state; that form of fundamental rules and principles by which a nation or state is governed, or by which individual members of a body politic are to regulate their social actions; a constitution, either written or unwritten, by which the rights and duties of citizens and public officers are prescribed and defined, as a monarchical government, a republican government, etc. Webster.3. An empire, kingdom, state or independent political community; as in the phrase,”Compacts between independent governments.”4. The sovereign or supreme power in a state or nation.5. The machinery by which the sovereign power in a state expresses its will and exercises its functions; or the framework of political institutions, departments, and offices, by means of which the executive, judicial, legislative, and administrative business of the state Is carried on.6. The whole class or body of office-holders or functionaries considered in the aggregate, upon whom devolves the executive, judicial, legislative, and administrative business of the state.7. In a colloquial sense, the United States or its representatives, considered as the prosecutor in a criminal action ; as in the phrase, “the government objects to the witness."

As for religion, this is also just another form of control. There is not one that has followed its own rules of which it was written and that is for peace and to follow rules to enjoy the path of life as a good person and as the so called gods have done......or did they according to the scriptures, and this can be said for all religions.

Back to the word Fascism/ Was Hitler a Fascist or was he a realist and a patriot as well as a very hard worker and a very motivated person that wanted to get things done. The more i read about him the more i believe we have been disillusioned by propaganda machine. Maybe you can answer a few of my questions, maybe not, all we can do in this world is search for the truth but will we ever know just like who killed JF Kennedy???? we will never know, at least probably not in our life times.

According to our resources which we got taught, millions of Jews were gassed in concentration camps. I can not find any evidence of this as much as i have looked. Yes the camps existed and they found many dad but what were the causes. Malnutrition and disease from what i can find, also our history books show us their heads were shaved before being lead to the gas chambers. From what i can see the heads were shaved to stop the spread of head lice and the chambers were showers.

Also Hitler offered a treaty many many times to England which could have ended it many times to which Churchill refused to accept. Hitler was attacked on all fronts, Russia, France, England, America.

Maybe I am wrong, i wasnt there so therefore i can not really oppose my views, i just feel like we are not being told the whole truth and something just does not seem right. Just the same way as i feel about the history of slavery.

Slaves were exchanged in all countries. Being sold to a foreign country meant that you had less chance of escaping, where would you go. The exchange of slaves and people trafficking still goes on today from all countries. If a black person mentions slavery to me i soon make them think twice about what they are saying to me. It was only rich people that could buy slaves, not your every day person like ourselves. The rich, the land owners. Racism was indoctrinated in to us and over the years human rights activists have tried to put an end to it and although we will never get rid of it it is a lot better than it was 50 years ago and i am not just talking in white countries too, many countries are the same, yet again i will say this, being patriotic is not racist.

Yes i do want to conserve what we have and build on it, for better not worse. If organizations like the UN get there way there will be no borders, we will have a one world monetary system and a new world order, they will do this by instilling fear into us all.

Fuck the world and its bullshit. While people say only care about what is around you now is why the banking systems have control over your lives. They plan for the next 100 years to keep you in slavery and no one cares except for themselves, this is why the world will never change.

Peace all

[jmarlowe]

Well, I normally just lurk here, since I don't know a thing about hacking or coding besides what b_b tells me. But I do know a little bit about this particular topic and I think there have been some pretty smart things said here.

So I'm going to tell you a little about my own personal experiences with liberalism. I'm not here to change anyone's mind. It's only my opinion and no one else's. I'm just talking because I feel like this is a safe place and if I said this anywhere else I would be chased out of town by an angry pitchfork-waving mob.

To me Conservative does not mean Fascist.

Exactly. But unfortunately, to most of the liberal USA, it does. I live in one of the most fiercely liberal, left-wing, anti-Republican towns in America. Interestingly enough, it is also one of the whitest, least diverse towns in America. So what we have is a bunch of overeducated, wealthy white people with enough time on their hands to tell everyone else what to do, how to think, what we should or should not be offended by - because they themselves will never have to face these problems of discrimination or poverty or unemployment, nor will their children.

These people LOVE name-calling. They are offended and shocked to their core at anyone using racist or sexist slurs, but they have absolutely NO problem with playing the Hitler card and calling everyone who doesn't adhere to their way of thinking a Nazi. These are the people who think themselves so kind and tolerant and accepting while at the same time threatening removal of friendship from anyone who does not entirely agree with their political opinion. And all anyone wants to talk about is politics. You can't even have a discussion about music without it turning into some sort of commentary on how our Republican governor is an evil Führer wanting to turn the state into his own personal Third Reich. That's how bad it is here. This is one of the towns where someone with a Bush/Cheney yard sign during the 2004 election got a swastika burned into his lawn. Who are the fascists now?

I have a particularly interesting perspective on the whole liberal/conservative debate, because I work in the arts, which is possibly the most liberal-friendly career anyone could possibly have. I should be totally left-wing Democrat, right? Yet, due to a particular belief set and an admittedly contrary nature that causes me to roundly reject anything that is shoved with too much persistence down my throat, I would definitely say that due to my personal experiences I have a pretty high distrust of so-called liberals.

This is where it started: I grew up in a different country; my family moved to Australia during the Reagan years. By the time I was 15, I was getting bullied, spat on, and humiliated on a daily basis and being called a "warmonger" because the teachers were nice sweet peace-loving "hippie" left-wing liberals who hated Reagan, and encouraged the students to take their hatred out on me, the only American student in the school. I tried to go to one of the teachers after a group of kids pushed me down and spat on me and was actually told "but Americans ARE warmongers..." and the bullying continued. Because, you know, clearly a teenaged girl who had been raised in the Australian school system since age 8 and knew nothing of American politics, was responsible for the bombing of Libya. Yep, apparently that was me, folks. I didn't know I gave that particular order, but everyone told me I did, so sorry about that.

Anyway, when I returned to the USA, and years later, moved to this town, I was horrified to hear Americans talking about how "stupid" the American people were for voting Bush (senior and junior) into office and how they wanted to move to Canada because their own country sucked so much and was full of racist, sexist, bullying idiots. I even heard a radio host saying that 9/11 was justified, that Americans "deserved" it for their arrogance. Did I really spend nine years being told how much I should hate my birth country, only to come back and discover that my own countrymen and women also thought I should be ashamed to be American? Looks like no matter where you go, the attitudes are the same.

You know, I don't even like describing myself as "liberal" OR "conservative." I think I'd rather just be me, with my own individual opinions. I think maybe what I really dislike, when all is said and done, is hypocrisy. And I don't think that the liberals should get away with thinking they are not total hypocrites because they pretend to be "rational thinkers" and preach "equality and acceptance." They don't believe that any more than the Republicans they claim are such Nazis.

Thanks for reading. Sorry this is so long and rambling.

[bad_brain]

thanks for (finally) posting jmarlowe...

I just realized I also have a background story that actually made me a conservative..
it started in the days when I was a kid, in late 1977, that time was called "german autumn", and germany was terrorized by the "RAF" ("Red Army Fraction")...a bunch of terrorists that hated everything "german" because it was "nazi", they also hated everything american (also "nazi", odd when you realize they sacrificed a lot of young men to fight the real nazis just 20 years earlier, duh). those terrorist kidnapped bosses of big corporations, tortured them for months and killed them, they also shot police officers and blew up bombs near US army barracks. later, when the original terrorists were all in prison (which was just 10 minutes from here, they even built a whole new building there just for them for maximum security) a 2nd generation of the "RAF" formed, they did the same as the first ones, and it ended in the hijacking of a plane (done by palestinians) in order to blackmail the government to release the prisoners (it ended with lots of dead passengers).

and now the fun part: 30 years later many people who actively supported those terrorists are *drumroll* part of the government. so, we are ruled by people who hated germany (and still do). one of them was our minister of the interior (Otto Schily), he was a lawyer for the terrorists back in the days and it's pretty much a fact he smuggled guns into prison for them and messages to the 2nd generation terrorists out of prison. there are plenty of others with the same background: Joschka Fischer for example, the prototype of a lefty hypocrite. he started his "career" by picking out police officers at demonstrations (in the "german autumn" time) and tried to kill them together with a bunch of others, there is even video material about that. and later: tadaa! he became the foreign minister. he was a member of the "green" party, you know, the ones all about "save the nature!". and now? well, now he is making BIG money by working for a russian oil company, and right before his political career ended he of course made sure that company gets a HUGE deal by the german government for an oil pipeline from russia to germany....a pipeline that causes INSANE damage to the environment.

the list of liberals/lefties/treehuggers being absolute hypocrites is endless in germany, want to know one more? there you go: the superliberal lefty Daniel Cohn-Bendit, he sits in the EU parliament. he is a pedophile....not a "suspected" one, he IS one. here's a clip from a talk show where he tells how much he enjoys to be touched in sexual way by little kids in one of his "lefty school projects":
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well, with THOSE people in power it's OF COURSE clear they manipulate everything in the media about conservative streamings. we had cases here where "journalists" hired stereotype "skinheads" as agent provocateurs for conservative demonstrations and took pics of them doing the nazi greeting as proof how "nazi" the whole demonstration/party is. the only people here that can afford to speak out the truth loud are the ones who either have nothing to lose because they have enough money for 10 lives already (like Thilo Sarrazin), or people who simply don't give a fuck...and those are the true heroes. I am not kidding, if you say something that is not politically correct here you will lose your job....married? your wife will be fired too. (happened to Thilo Sarrazin's wife for example). the ones that piss the lefties off the most are the ones they simply can not label as nazi...like the awesome Hendryk Broder (holocaust survivor).
talking about holocaust survivors, thuggy, I have to disagree on you about the non existence of it, the nazis themselves delivered enough material as proof....simply watch the movie "der ewige jude[1]", a "famous" propaganda movie that starts with a sequence of rats and how they are the scum of the wildlife, and then says "what the rats are for animals the jews are for humans", there are also protocols of the "wannsee konferenz" where they planned the "endlösung" (final solution).
but here comes the BIG "but": Hitler wasn't conservative, he wasn't even right-wing, he also was no patriot. he was: a lefty. he said that himself (I am really too lazy to google that now, sorry ), but he made clear he hates the bourgeoisie and that's the exact opposite of a conservative...and well...."socialism" (no matter if there is a "national" in front of it) is not patriotism, it's the usual "everyone has to live following my standards" thing, the same Stalin had in his agenda, the same for Mao. it's actually not even about politics, it's more a totalitarian religion.

oops...I got sidetracked.
anyway, with all that background it was simply no option for me to see the left as my political spectrum. no idea who said that (too lazy to google again ), but imo it is very true: "if you are not lefty aged 20 you have no heart, if you are still a lefty aged 30 you have no brain."

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[computathug]

Thank you for both your honest replies, thats more food for thought

[floodhound2]

I will say that conservatives in USA are far less educated, hypocrites, have no concern for the environment, dont believe in global warming, spy on everything and still want small government, religion in schools and women not to vote or work, make abortions illegal, stop research in stem cell and other medical advancements, they even want to change the constitution. Oh and deport all immigrants unless they are white.

I am simply saying that math and science should rule supreme. All politicians are simply puppets from businesses but conservatives are the silliest puppets of them all.

If we the people quit "picking a side" and unite a different tune would sing.

Just my 2 cents gathered from working with many of them in my 10 years as an engineer. I HATE there views.

I have no clue about other areas so forgive me if it seems so. German conservatives may be a totally different animal.

[bad_brain]

well, yeah, it's a lot about how you define "conservative" actually.....in my opinion it's about preserving old values, it has to do with ethics, culture, and national identity.
on the other hand being a conservative in germany (and whole europe) is also about changing the status quo set by the lefties we are ruled by since decades (some of those parties call themselves "conservative" but their political agenda differs just minimal from the ones of the "left" parties). so actually we are some kind of "progressive conservatives", because we want our old values back and a change.
you also take big risks when speaking out in public about that (you AND your family can lose your jobs, leftwing thugs will be out to get you, etc.), only people who didn't give a damn about their career (because they made enough money already anyway) anymore did yet, now the brave people of former east germany opened pandora's box though and rallies are all over the country.
I am not sure how the US media covers those rallies, if they do like the german media does by portraying the people as "nazis": don't believe it, it can't be more far away from the truth.....there is a reason why the protesters ALL refuse to speak with the press and why they chant "lying press shut the fuck up" when they pass cameras of TV teams.

[ph0bYx]

well, yeah, it's a lot about how you define "conservative" actually.....in my opinion it's about preserving old values, it has to do with ethics, culture, and national identity.
on the other hand being a conservative in germany (and whole europe) is also about changing the status quo set by the lefties we are ruled by since decades (some of those parties call themselves "conservative" but their political agenda differs just minimal from the ones of the "left" parties). so actually we are some kind of "progressive conservatives", because we want our old values back and a change.
you also take big risks when speaking out in public about that (you AND your family can lose your jobs, leftwing thugs will be out to get you, etc.), only people who didn't give a damn about their career (because they made enough money already anyway) anymore did yet, now the brave people of former east germany opened pandora's box though and rallies are all over the country.
I am not sure how the US media covers those rallies, if they do like the german media does by portraying the people as "nazis": don't believe it, it can't be more far away from the truth.....there is a reason why the protesters ALL refuse to speak with the press and why they chant "lying press shut the fuck up" when they pass cameras of TV teams.

Something similar is going on in Croatia as well but only the roles are reversed. Conservatives and right-wing politicians ruled the country for ~15 years and made a huge mess of it and are generally considered as corrupt criminals - bad guys, and the left-wing is considered a somewhat good guys. In the last few years the government changed to left-wings and they didn't do a good job either but they are still considered the good guys and the people will probably vote for them too but once enough time has passed they will change the roles again and the right-wings will be considered the good guys (just like they did in the time of Yugoslavia).
I believe that when you're on a high enough position, like a ruling government, you simply can't get away with even the tiniest mistakes. The opposition is quick to point it out and make a huge deal out of it and the people are ALWAYS mad at the current government and they blame it for almost everything, no matter what. Plus there is the theory, which I believe is quite true, that powers that come from high positions corrupt people pretty quickly. Therefor I believe that it's impossible to have a government that is loved by a vast majority of it's people (unless you're North Korea) and that the people will ALWAYS complain and protest - only the we here are too big of a pussy to do anything about it, including protesting.

My 2 cents.

[bad_brain]

right ph0,
politicians simply don't do what they actually should: taking care of the citizens. they only take care about staying in power, and the agendas of the different parties are often pretty much the same (except from a few minor details), no matter if they claim to be left or right....so they can not score anymore with important topics in elections. instead winning an election is mostly about how much you can discredit the opponent.

I have to admit though that I am pretty much uniformed about the political situation in your part of the world....when I was a teenager and there was still Yugoslavia I had a couple of friends from there, serbians and croatians, but when all fell apart there it became really confusing with all those new countries and how they are related to each other, leave alone their inner politics.

[Broken Angel]

I must start by saying that I am very proud of what I am and where I come from. I also believe that everyone should try and Conserve and Preserve the real essence of their Origins. I shall only talk about Old Values and Traditions and not about races in general because I sometimes think that I am Racist too. Not that I hate everyone but I have a very particular 'Dislike' towards a group or a section of people and I believe that everyone here will support me when I say I 'Dislike' all them 'Terrorist People' who at their ease 'Slaughter and Rape' other Humans in the name of Religion. One of the recent Example being ISIS.

Coming to the Conservative Part:

I being from India know a lot about being 'Conservative and Proud' because I am proud to say that we are one of the if not THE oldest people around and the fact that a lot of knowledge is actually still hidden on the Books that people now term as Religious or otherwise.

Come to think of it, it was written in one of our 'Vedas' the time Sun's Light took to reach the Earth.

I live in the country where everyone wants to be like 'THE WEST', it has made a huge influence on us and is taking a lot from us in the Traditional Value segment. I am not blaming anyone apart from our own people for this sad sad treatment which our own Values are getting.

I also read somewhere that people in Far West are actually trying to adopt to what India was before and they are actually realising how rich we were Culture wise. But again it makes me sad that our own people don't realise what we hold in ourselves. What actually is happening is that we (Indians) are losing the essence of the place where they belong to, they are not realising that it is what they have is what makes them special rather than trying to behave or look like someone else.

I can blame all the television and things for it but then at times I find myself stuck and arguing with myself about a lot of things which the 'Old People' at my place find wrong.

When we talk about 'Conservative' we are bound to talk about Taboos too... Like in many places it is a Taboo to get a tattoo done but then again I personally don't oppose it dislike it rather I find it a very good way to reflect what you actually are.

Now I call myself Conservative but then comes that part where in my Culture it is frowned upon if a girl wears Western Clothes and honestly it doesn't suit all the girls. I mean a jeans look really bad if the body is not in a good shape. I don't know about the girls in there countries but Indian Girls when they loose their figure its like OMG they completely loose it. I don't want to offend anyone but all I am saying in here is that not everyone is proud of what they really are. And if I say it openly that I am proud to be an Indian and that I love the fact that our Old values are the best (again I say it because I am Proud of them) I am called as a 'Narrow Minded' person, and again frowned upon by the same people who didn't like girls wearing Western Clothes.

One of the Real Life example which I would like to state is that I applied for a Club Membership and I couldn't get sufficient amount of Votes only because I was not wearing a Tie. I mean I was ready to pay 750k INR if I got the Votes and instead what I got was I got rubbed in my face because I was short of 1 vote and I was told that the reason was me not wearing a Tie. After that I make it a point that I never wear a Tie anywhere.
I mean I was asked to wear Formal Clothes and I was wearing them all proper but come to think of it Formal Clothes in India is Dhoti and Kurta. If I start to argue about it I will be made fun of and well I would not like it.

But I really like that BB started something where I could vent out my feelings about how I am watching things around me degrade and I cannot do anything about it.

Ooh also I missed one point. It has become a Fashion Statement these days to show off if someone is following Old Traditions/Religious Traditions. They no longer are looked on the Religious or Traditional aspect but rather they are looked as as show off. If I am following an Old Tradition and tell or show that to everyone then everyone will l praise it, but without learning the reason or logic behind it.

I would love if all of us can Conserve and Preserve what we really are and that also teach others around us about it. We (and by we I mean everyone around the World) are loosing the essence it's like a flower looses its fragrance eventually.


EDIT 1:
I forgot the thing called the Internet. Well, believe it or not it sure is causing a lot of things to get mixed up. Its more like 2 sides of the same coin but I run a Coffee Shop and I stay at the place for more than 10 hours everyday and I see people not talking to their friends rather then spending majority of their time using Facebook or WhatsApp. I feel that this sure is creating a high gap in Social Interactions. Personally I have and I am proud to say this that I have more friends in this place and rather than having Physical Friends.

[ph0bYx]

I have to admit though that I am pretty much uniformed about the political situation in your part of the world....when I was a teenager and there was still Yugoslavia I had a couple of friends from there, serbians and croatians, but when all fell apart there it became really confusing with all those new countries and how they are related to each other, leave alone their inner politics.

You're not missing much, everything is the same as elsewhere with some parts being just ridiculous. For instance, Bosnia has three presidents and the president of Serbian Republic (which is a huge part of Bosnia,yellow on the map) openly says that he hates Bosnia and that it makes him sick to his stomach. Whenever Bosnia plays a football match he always cheers for the other side no matter who they are
In other news, just recent there were the presidential elections in Croatia and a woman won with less than 1% more votes making her the first woman in charge of modern Croatia. The funny thing is when you count in all the votes, even the faulty ones she doesn't have more than 50% of the votes which makes this illegal but oh well
In Serbia, Šešelj who is a war criminal, was released from Den Haag due to health issues and he immediately after landing rallied a huge mass of people and now wants to take on the current government and bring Serbia back to the way it was during the war for independence.

And that's just the tip of the iceberg