Opera is the lesser evul.

[LaBlueGirl]

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Another exception has been detected while we were handling last error.
Dumping information about last error:
ERROR REPORT FILE = (N/A)
PC = 0x081b60cc
SIGNAL = 11
FUNCTION NAME = (N/A)
OFFSET = 0xFFFFFFFF
LIBRARY NAME = (N/A)
Please check ERROR REPORT FILE for further information, if there is any.
Good bye.
./opera: line 325: 20371 Killed "${OPERA_BINARYDIR}opera" "$@"
rainey@saladinsane:~/Opera-9>




top - 20:36:54 up 11 days, 18:26, 9 users, load average: 0.39, 0.95, 1.08
Tasks: 165 total, 4 running, 161 sleeping, 0 stopped, 0 zombie
Cpu(s): 6.6% user, 6.9% system, 0.3% nice, 86.2% idle
Mem: 514796k total, 499260k used, 15536k free, 157408k buffers
Swap: 248968k total, 109308k used, 139660k free, 62656k cached

top - 20:38:01 up 11 days, 18:27, 9 users, load average: 0.12, 0.75, 0.99
Tasks: 162 total, 3 running, 157 sleeping, 0 stopped, 2 zombie
Cpu(s): 7.9% user, 5.7% system, 0.0% nice, 86.4% idle
Mem: 514796k total, 498816k used, 15980k free, 157408k buffers
Swap: 248968k total, 109308k used, 139660k free, 62656k cached

PID USER PR NI VIRT RES SHR S %CPU %MEM TIME+ COMMAND
21373 rainey 18 0 996 996 744 R 5.1 0.2 0:00.82 top
17217 rainey 15 0 11920 10m 9540 S 0.3 2.1 0:10.37 kdeinit
17131 rainey 15 0 216 212 0 S 0.0 0.0 0:00.16 kde
17167 rainey 15 0 132 56 36 S 0.0 0.0 0:00.02 gpg-agent
17168 rainey 15 0 316 112 72 S 0.0 0.0 0:00.03 ssh-agent
17185 rainey 15 0 2472 1440 1280 S 0.0 0.3 0:00.36 kdeinit
17188 rainey 16 0 2280 1160 856 S 0.0 0.2 0:02.66 kdeinit
17191 rainey 15 0 3512 2452 1916 S 0.0 0.5 0:00.44 kdeinit
17194 rainey 15 0 5368 4360 2772 S 0.0 0.8 0:11.67 kdeinit
17200 rainey 15 0 3672 2668 1316 S 0.0 0.5 2:25.65 kdeinit
17209 rainey 20 0 4372 2868 1720 S 0.0 0.6 0:00.97 kdeinit
17210 rainey 15 0 84 84 28 S 0.0 0.0 0:00.10 kwrapper
17212 rainey 15 0 3068 2020 1088 S 0.0 0.4 0:00.40 kdeinit
17213 rainey 15 0 5796 4876 3388 S 0.0 0.9 0:11.10 kdeinit
17215 rainey 15 0 3052 652 488 S 0.0 0.1 0:00.86 kdeinit
17220 rainey 15 0 11564 10m 8676 S 0.0 2.1 0:21.11 kdeinit
17222 rainey 15 0 2656 1648 1348 S 0.0 0.3 0:00.19 kdeinit
17226 rainey 15 0 4536 3628 2056 S 0.0 0.7 0:30.96 kdeinit
17232 rainey 15 0 5276 4676 2840 S 0.0 0.9 0:00.96 susewatcher
17233 rainey 15 0 4472 3868 1296 S 0.0 0.8 0:02.22 suseplugger
17237 rainey 15 0 3812 3196 1324 S 0.0 0.6 0:01.03 knotes
17240 rainey 15 0 2880 2132 852 S 0.0 0.4 0:00.41 kalarmd
17275 rainey 15 0 9636 8908 7392 S 0.0 1.7 0:01.03 kdeinit
19808 rainey 15 0 14304 13m 11m S 0.0 2.7 0:04.07 kdeinit
19809 rainey 15 0 1720 1720 1276 S 0.0 0.3 0:00.12 bash
19834 rainey 15 0 29688 28m 17m S 0.0 5.7 0:13.37 kdeinit
20380 rainey 16 0 148m 148m 24m S 0.0 29.5 0:00.14 opera
20636 rainey 15 0 0 0 0 Z 0.0 0.0 0:13.72 opera <defunct>
20637 rainey 15 0 148m 148m 24m S 0.0 29.5 0:00.09 opera
20638 rainey 16 0 148m 148m 24m S 0.0 29.5 0:00.08 opera
20639 rainey 18 0 148m 148m 24m S 0.0 29.5 0:00.00 opera
20640 rainey 18 0 148m 148m 24m S 0.0 29.5 0:00.00 opera
20641 rainey 15 0 0 0 0 Z 0.0 0.0 0:02.28 opera <defunct>
20642 rainey 15 0 148m 148m 24m S 0.0 29.5 0:00.46 opera
20643 rainey 15 0 148m 148m 24m S 0.0 29.5 0:00.02 opera
20644 rainey 15 0 148m 148m 24m S 0.0 29.5 0:22.99 opera
20645 rainey 15 0 148m 148m 24m S 0.0 29.5 0:00.02 opera
rainey@saladinsane:~/Opera-9> kill -9 20644
rainey@saladinsane:~/Opera-9>

Now, this comes before I have to kill via PID everything Opera loves and holds most dear....

(sigh)

[bad_brain]

eww.....zombie processes sometimes point to a bigger problem, the last time I've seen one was some minutes before a kernel bug hit the server and totally downed the complete mainframe (not the suck-o one, was the one where I host my customer sites)....

well, I've never used Opera (neither on Win nor on *nix), Epiphany totally sucks and Mozilla is a resource hog....ever tried Dillo? I really like it, it's lightweight and stable, but also userfriendly:
http://www.dillo.org/

[RNA]

Ive used Opera on my nix and my win, from what Ive seen its more stable than FF, more secure than FF and doesnt eat as much memory(though havent ran FF since early 2.0 stages)

[bad_brain]

the last "good" Firefox was 1.0.7, it was pretty lightweight and fast, even if it crashed from time to time. but the newer versions became bloatware, and the bugs became very annoying...I use the newest 2.x version and for me copy&paste work totally unreliable also Javascript errors (see the "Latest News" box on the lower left corner? it sometimes appears in the middle of the site looking totally fragmented, I have to restart FF then). the only plus Firefox has is the modularity and that it's more secure than IE (well, it's no art.. ).
personally I use K-Meleon on Win and good old Lynx or Dillo on *nix...

[LaBlueGirl]

That's what I got, pickles.

I check README, but the latest version of dillo doesn't compile with gtk+ 2.x.....
Also had to put glib into the path, which seems like a common compile issue I've been seeing a lot lately.

Well, it's good for my experience, and I found a very worthwhile site.

I had too many cold reboots with FF, mozilla wouldn't even start up or if I was lucky it would hang/crash, most pages aren't compatible at *all* with Konquerer and I can't access any of my email with it..
So it's back to Opera, which I ran on Windows.

While we remedied the operawrapper problem, I still have to run it from the shell. Which doesn't bother me, only in that there's no little icon saying 'Click Me'.

Sigh...

LBG