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Post by G-Brain »

They're 2 separate subjects, it just seemed awkward to me how you started with HTML and Javascript and then didn't go to web programming.

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well, I couldn't chose it, this was the schedule of my studies (and html->JS->Java is the schedule in 99% of webmastering studies)...but my main interest were Linux servers from the start anyway, so I took a different turn afterwards.. :wink:

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whoaaaa.. thats some pretty deep shii languages for a noob like me.. this that oh shii i got lost in some way. its funny though cause i know that i didnt have any ideas on some things you guys are talking bout and im still reading it :lol:

i got some basic knowledge on html but my coding skill still sucks. thanks it really helped me understand some things, yea some. ive tried VB, just tried so i really dont have knowledge on that.. thanks again! :D
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Thanks for the help. I'm gunna start with c++, then move onto Java.

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I suggest to Learn

1.HTML
2.C++
3.JAVA
4.Perl
5.Lisp

[Learn The languages in this order only]

Java is a bit difficult...(Really Difficult)...but its really helpful!

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sahil22 wrote:I suggest to Learn

1.HTML
2.C++
3.JAVA
4.Perl
5.Lisp

[Learn The languages in this order only]

Java is a bit difficult...(Really Difficult)...but its really helpful!
Which of those do you know? What have you written in them?
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what do you guys think about learning Pascal first??

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Well I Know HTML and I am learning C++.....My brother is a computer engineer and he told me about all the other languages and adviced me to include them into this list!....I also tried to learn JAVA but its really difficult...My brother told me its really helpful and I realized that when I saw him hand-coding something in JAVA and when I saw a full fledged app!
Its really easy to reach your goal....but really difficult to make the goal come to you!

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bad_brain wrote:K, many people ask how to begin with hacking, so I wrote this little How-To:

Many beginners think that it´s possible to get some "hacking programs", click on some buttons on a GUI and voila: "I´m a hacker now!" Nope, you aren´t, even a chimpansee can be teached to do this. Booting people in chat rooms? Sorry, absolutely no hacking too...

Well, that´s it for now, I´ll add some stuff here if I feel the need to...
Happy hacking! :wink:
When it comes to hacking, a Hacker is one who should be able to use tools, but not
manufacture them! If a person needs to drive a car, he doesn’t have to go back to zero
to invent, manufacture and then drive. When it comes to security, a person who uses
a gun is the expert and more important than the one who manufactures it and then goes to
sleep.
Even programmers need tools like compilers and debuggers. They don’t program
their own. So they don’t know everything about software.
A Hacker has Precious Time, because we have a wide field to explore, of course with
tools. For example: To the dark, a light; to dive, a frogman suit.
So long as software can take a form ‘operational’, a User can beat a Manufacturer.
That’s why software builders can not stop the good work of Hackers.
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Computer programing is very different from real life manufacture. You can "manufacture" a program/script to kill a computer WAAAAY faster than to manufacture a gun.
But for the bigger, more complex programs it would be nice to at least know how they're "manufactured" and how they work rather than using it with the only knowledge you have is what that program does. The scum of society acts like that, or AKA script kiddies.

Also what if you find yourself in a situation where you need to hack into a system but the only thing that you can use is a laptop with a fresh XP installed and a notepad. A hacker would find his way out of it, but a skiddie would fail 110%.

Give an ordinary computer user, who only knows to use MSWord and email, a hacking program, give him 15min to read the help file and he's no less skilled than a script kiddie.
That's the difference between hackers and skiddies.

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Post by Hiram »

ph0bYx wrote:Computer programing is very different from real life manufacture. You can "manufacture" a program/script to kill a computer WAAAAY faster than to manufacture a gun.
Also what if you find yourself in a situation where you need to hack into a system but the only thing that you can use is a laptop with a fresh XP installed and a notepad. A hacker would find his way out of it, but a skiddie would fail 110%.
Woh woh woh, hey; don’t get me wrong here. When I talk about tools, I mean action.
A soldier uses a gun for security. An invader comes up with the same tool. Both these
guys have the same knowledge about the tool. Programmers use debuggers in programming,
and Hackers use the same tool in their work. Think about reverse engineering;(flying saucers).
For knowledge, more effort goes to tools, because once you hold a tool, in most cases you
can tell what you can achieve with it. Reverse engineering succeeds because there are tools
to check and test what is imagined.
Let’s compare a computer with software: The once richest man in the world Bill Gates
became richer than computer manufacturers because of software,
but not knowing how it works(in Physics this would mean principles of operation not how it
deals with software)
Lastly; this is advice: Never imagine yourself in a vulnerable situation. You can imagine
yourself in a difficult situation but when equiped. America is a super power because they have
the stuff, not because of knowledge. Germans have the knowledge; I envy them!
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I understand that a hacker needs tools of course. But if he wants to call himself a hacker he should know how to make such a tool and what that tools does exactly or else he's a skiddie.
Also, Bill Gates started of like a manufacturer. He and Paul Allen were the one's that developed Windows in the first place, so trust me when I say he knows how it works ;)
Also I really don't think that America doesn't have the knowledge about their programs, since they've developed them them self. Imagine this:
Someone from FBI calls the manufacturer of the program they're using:
"Hello this is the FBI counter cyberterrorist division. We're hunting a group of cyber-terrorists, but the trial version of Catch the CyberTerrorist 2000 program is expired, could you send us a new one so we can continue the hunt plz." xD

Oh and about that advice of yours: "Never imagine yourself in a vulnerable situation", well I imagine myself in the worst possible situation always, that way nothing bad can surprise me :P

Also I would like to point out that I'm not acting offensive towards you here. I'm seeing this as a friendly discussion. If you got the impression of me as hostile, I'm sorry it wasn't my intention.

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A tool is only as good as the person using it imo. A person with a gun can understand how it works but if he/she cant hit the broad side of a barn when he shoots it then what good is it? Practice and training is required to increase skill and knowledge of its function right? Then the same would apply to any tool for any skill. A true " hacker " would desire to increase their knowledge of the tool and its desired function the same as they desire the knowledge of where is the vulnerability what happens if i do this or go here ect. Learning to use a tool is the first step to learning more about the desired targets function and weaknesses and on and on an on.

:P Learning never stops because the tool doesnt work anymore it just changes how you learn.

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Post by Hiram »

ph0bYx wrote:I understand that a hacker needs tools of course. But if he wants to call himself a hacker he should know how to make such a tool and what that tools does exactly or else he's a skiddie.
Also I really don't think that America doesn't have the knowledge about their programs, since they've developed them them self.
Also I would like to point out that I'm not acting offensive towards you here. I'm seeing this as a friendly discussion. If you got the impression of me as hostile, I'm sorry it wasn't my intention.
Come on Pal; There is no offense! From childhood I was taken by the field of physics and I
discovered that if any Physicist would bring up a Theory or Principle, he had to back it up. You
are just making it possible for me to explain myself more.
Now; about super power I meant having knowledge and making ready tools, but not waiting
for a situation and then manufacture. And you know very well that manufacturers are not the
best users though they can also be users. So, practically manufacturers are not the users.
A manufacturer makes his product knowing what it will do, that’s all; by skill a user develops
unconventional purposes. A bike manufacturer won’t have the slightest idea that a user can
ride it on one wheel.
You might imagine where I get knowledge to use a tool beyond convention. Well,
manufacturers themselves teach us through manuals and tips or troubleshooting. Tips from
one product can attack another!
I have to point out this truth. I am so much in the Physics field. With Software not much,
but judging progress I ‘might’ achieve more than long time experts because they follow
convention.
Lastly; never allow to be carried away by AI(Artificial Intelligence). Knowledge is Natural.
That’s why we have assumptions in Physics to create a way forward, otherwise some
situations tend to be impossible. In Software I see conditional statements: They’re
important if you can access them! Once AI is defeated, it can be beaten forever. In chess
I can beat my computer, no; the game program I installed, as many times as I wish since
the first time I beat it. :wink:
A Hacker who takes a conventional path is one most likely to be
noticed, because they'll be waiting for him; like an invader who first
fights security to penetrate. :roll:

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Welcome Hiram, its nice to hear from your part of the world.

Disable word wrap in your text writer( I am assuming you are writing in word or notepad then cutting and pasting to here) and it'll improve the format of your post.

I like the way you think, so stick around :wink:

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