Using tables instead of iframe?

Post by **ayu** » 23 Jun 2008, 07:10

Ok so I've read some about using tables instead of iframes, and I know b_b mentioned it before in the IRC.

So, how do I use tables instead of iframes? and why is it better?

If anyone could give any examples and explanations I would highly appreciate it =)

Post by **floodhound2** » 23 Jun 2008, 08:52

Well in html it is simple just look at the code below

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<table border="1" width="100%" id="table1">
	<tr>
		<td>text here 1</td>
	</tr>
	<tr>
		<td>text here 2</td>
	</tr>
</table>

table border="1" = signifies thickness of border
width="100% = how wide the table extends on the web page

This should get you started.

Post by **ayu** » 23 Jun 2008, 09:16

yes.... but how do I use them instead of iframes? =P

Post by **maboroshi** » 23 Jun 2008, 10:07

You can't use Tables instead of iframes :-p in that sense

look into the object tag and div tags for replacing iframes

Anyway ttyl

I like web 2.0 much cleaner to use css then tables

G-Brain · Post by **G-Brain** » 23 Jun 2008, 10:39

http://www.mattheerema.com/archive/exac ... frames-bad

That's one of them, I'm sure you could Google for more inspirational blog posts.

For the how-to:

Suppose you have your site split up in frames with a menu frame on the left and the rest of the page on the right. With tables, you'd make two columns, one for the menu, and one for the rest of the page. Come on, seriously, how hard was that? Are you joking? Are you on drugs?

Post by **ayu** » 23 Jun 2008, 12:58

The principle is not the issue here, also I am not using frames, I'm using Iframes, so the site is not cut of in two pieces like you suggested G-Brain.

Also I read that the object tag and div tag does not have the same functionalities as the iframe tag, and also the object tag is bugged in IE6 : /

My webdesign education has a large hole in it since the books we used were old as hell and suggested that we should use regular frames to build our pages.

Now, suck-o for example, when it changes modules, for example when I browse through the modules such as forum and home, how does that work then? isn't there something there with an iframe'ish function?

Or does it use DIV to target pages ?

Post by **bad_brain** » 23 Jun 2008, 13:24

well, it's not the tables itself that can be used as iframe replacement, it's the tables plus PHP...take a look here, I think it'll make it a little more clear:
http://www.garnetchaney.com/how_to_use_ ... ames.shtml

and why better not using frames? 2 reasons, 1st one is that textbased browsers like Lynx don't support frames, so the content is simply not available...of course not many people use such browsers anymore, so the main reason is that frames are bad for SEO. most spiders don't handle frames, once they hit a frame-tag they simply stop there because they label it as off-site content...which makes kinda sense, imagine you would put an iframe with google.com on the site, this would mean your site has all the content google has...

oh, and btw, I had that much trouble with web dev and IE6 that I don't care about it anymore, IE7 is less crappy (which don't means it is good)....if someone is still using that outdated piece of crap name IE6 it's his problem, not mine...

)

oh, and better luck next time with your next reply g-brain, sometimes stuff is not THAT simple...

Post by **ayu** » 23 Jun 2008, 15:30

Thanks for your answers guys ^^

And I read the tut b_b and I understand the principle of it, just gotta figure out how to use it on my page =/

Edit: ok so I am still having some slight problems with this....

From what I can see on this tutorial that b_b linked, I don't HAVE to use tables, or? =/ and what if the contents of the page is to long? how do I get a scroll? =P

I mean, at the moment 90% of my site is loaded with div's, wouldn't itbe possible to have the content in a div? and then maybe add a scroll somehow or something? (I will google around for the scroll issue, but further answers to this would be appreciated ^^) ...

Edit: ah, found an answer to the "scroll" issue

http://www.domedia.org/oveklykken/css-div-scroll.php

But, a few questions remain unanswered above, also I would love to know if phpnuke uses a similar way of browsing as that tutorial (the one that b_b sent)

Post by **bad_brain** » 24 Jun 2008, 13:22

you know where you can get the source files, feel free to dl them...

but I think it uses div-tags (not 100% sure tho)....

Ghosted · Post by **Ghosted** » 24 Jun 2008, 16:37

If you are standards compliant tables are depreciated, you should use div's instead(at least that's what people always tell me when I ask if I can use tables for something)