HD destroyer!
ph0,
well remember that when the police have come to your door, they have already presented enough evidence to a judge to get him to grant the warrant. The evidence will likely be the trail to your house, but its not the actual files you downloaded. So based on the reasonable suspicion that a file named 14yrblowjob or DoD-Memo_24345.pdf was indicated as downloaded to your machine is enough for a reasonable person to assume you posess it. So really the actual file to appear on your HDD is a nice touch, but they already have 95% of the evidence to prove you 'posessed' the file.
I believe when they ask to decrypt your HDD, they are fishing for evidence of more crime. When you wipe your HDD, you are at least just saving yourself more trouble than you are in at the moment.
If the cops come with a warrant in hand, the game is already half over for the investigators - they would not come unless judges, prosecuting attorneys, police supervisors had already passed judgement on you.
BTW, with the file name above I didn't mean to imply that any respecting member of suck-o would download or posess such a file.
DNR
well remember that when the police have come to your door, they have already presented enough evidence to a judge to get him to grant the warrant. The evidence will likely be the trail to your house, but its not the actual files you downloaded. So based on the reasonable suspicion that a file named 14yrblowjob or DoD-Memo_24345.pdf was indicated as downloaded to your machine is enough for a reasonable person to assume you posess it. So really the actual file to appear on your HDD is a nice touch, but they already have 95% of the evidence to prove you 'posessed' the file.
I believe when they ask to decrypt your HDD, they are fishing for evidence of more crime. When you wipe your HDD, you are at least just saving yourself more trouble than you are in at the moment.
If the cops come with a warrant in hand, the game is already half over for the investigators - they would not come unless judges, prosecuting attorneys, police supervisors had already passed judgement on you.
BTW, with the file name above I didn't mean to imply that any respecting member of suck-o would download or posess such a file.
DNR
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He gives wisdom to the wise and knowledge to the discerning. He reveals deep and hidden things; he knows what lies in Darkness, and Light dwells with him.
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Its a manual option
http://www.coolthings.com/manual-hard-d ... 5-seconds/
Its 11,500USD
http://www.edrsolutions.com/ordering.asp
Its approved by the NSA
http://www.garner-products.com/PD-4.htm
But I am still not convinced its destroyed enough...
DNR
http://www.coolthings.com/manual-hard-d ... 5-seconds/
Its 11,500USD
http://www.edrsolutions.com/ordering.asp
Its approved by the NSA
http://www.garner-products.com/PD-4.htm
But I am still not convinced its destroyed enough...
DNR
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He gives wisdom to the wise and knowledge to the discerning. He reveals deep and hidden things; he knows what lies in Darkness, and Light dwells with him.
He gives wisdom to the wise and knowledge to the discerning. He reveals deep and hidden things; he knows what lies in Darkness, and Light dwells with him.
That machine would destroy it for run-of-the-mill thieves but not for the government-thieves. I guess the question is, when government uses their big machines to get information off the HDDs do they have to plug it in and have the platters spin? I don't think they do. I think they can place the platters on a little table and read it. So simply breaking it wont work. Like a puzzle, they will put the pieces back to together and put you in jail.
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I wonder how you know I wear Hello Kitty P.Js...
Not important I suppose. I think a trash compacter would be more effective then a machine that just crimps the platters... but I haven't seen one in like 20 years to be honest.
For SSDs I think that crushing would be pretty effective, but maybe an electric current through the chips would be devastating as well.
Encryption is obviously only half an option, because apparently you can be charged with encryption these days (what is the world coming to)
i don't really know, and I'm a bit intoxicated to theorize effectively, but as for the first question, yes you can use a cell phone to trigger a degausser, you need two cell phones though, the one you are calling from and the one that triggers the machine.
The set up is not hard, just use the cell as a switch with your leads tied in where the speaker is. the machine can be anything you like... I hope that made some sort of sense lol
Not important I suppose. I think a trash compacter would be more effective then a machine that just crimps the platters... but I haven't seen one in like 20 years to be honest.
For SSDs I think that crushing would be pretty effective, but maybe an electric current through the chips would be devastating as well.
Encryption is obviously only half an option, because apparently you can be charged with encryption these days (what is the world coming to)
i don't really know, and I'm a bit intoxicated to theorize effectively, but as for the first question, yes you can use a cell phone to trigger a degausser, you need two cell phones though, the one you are calling from and the one that triggers the machine.
The set up is not hard, just use the cell as a switch with your leads tied in where the speaker is. the machine can be anything you like... I hope that made some sort of sense lol
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regarding the topic of destroying data in a hurry...
scenario:
you are walking around downtown going home from a hard day's stressful IT administration job. you have with you your tiniest flash/thumb drive in your pocket... in that drive, unbeknownst by anyone, you have encrypted files that you use in your deep dark little secret job when suddenly, with you having no knowledge that the FBI, who's been trailing you for quite a while now, appears out of nowhere complete with the special team with guns and police lights everywhere and all that shit and presents you a warrant for your arrest due to a cyber crime (or whatever that's called). they say they know that you have the files with you that support their claim and frisks you before you can even react and confiscates your flash drive. your sweat dripping everywhere, your heart is racing cause you know well that the FBI teamed with the other intelligence agencies ain't that stupid to break your tiny flash drives puny 128bit encryption.
PAUSE Scenario.
Question:
what can you do before this happens to you? i was thinking; can you program an auto loading, cross platform, autorun security bypassing virus to destroy the data in your flash drive in the moment your flash drive's been plugged in to a computer with a different SSID? is it possible? can it be done? what language can we use to do it? or is there something like this that you have or know where to find?
scenario:
you are walking around downtown going home from a hard day's stressful IT administration job. you have with you your tiniest flash/thumb drive in your pocket... in that drive, unbeknownst by anyone, you have encrypted files that you use in your deep dark little secret job when suddenly, with you having no knowledge that the FBI, who's been trailing you for quite a while now, appears out of nowhere complete with the special team with guns and police lights everywhere and all that shit and presents you a warrant for your arrest due to a cyber crime (or whatever that's called). they say they know that you have the files with you that support their claim and frisks you before you can even react and confiscates your flash drive. your sweat dripping everywhere, your heart is racing cause you know well that the FBI teamed with the other intelligence agencies ain't that stupid to break your tiny flash drives puny 128bit encryption.
PAUSE Scenario.
Question:
what can you do before this happens to you? i was thinking; can you program an auto loading, cross platform, autorun security bypassing virus to destroy the data in your flash drive in the moment your flash drive's been plugged in to a computer with a different SSID? is it possible? can it be done? what language can we use to do it? or is there something like this that you have or know where to find?
several ideas popped up here
DNR
That could be way easier than crushing, you would just need to flip a switch to run maybe even 120v into your SSD circuits.For SSDs I think that crushing would be pretty effective, but maybe an electric current through the chips would be devastating as well.
Yea great idea, - it can even be a list of MAC addresses - so you can plug it into a PC at work and at home. If the MAC addresses are not on the list - you can initate a virus to wipe the SSD. This way - there is no password prompt to pop up on the screen to tip off the agents that there is security. You cannot change any security unless you are on a machine with approved MAC. The MAC can be spoofed BTW - but how would they know before they plug it in that its a secure SSD stick?can you program an auto loading, cross platform, autorun security bypassing virus to destroy the data in your flash drive in the moment your flash drive's been plugged in to a computer with a different SSID?
DNR
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He gives wisdom to the wise and knowledge to the discerning. He reveals deep and hidden things; he knows what lies in Darkness, and Light dwells with him.
He gives wisdom to the wise and knowledge to the discerning. He reveals deep and hidden things; he knows what lies in Darkness, and Light dwells with him.
I think 120v through an SSD chip would definitely fry it up... after moning coffee I'll give it a try and let you know =)
As for the virus to destroy data upon plug in, very nice idea, I'm not sure how completely you could render the data unrecoverable however. Recovery of flash media is often a simple no brain needed recovery, even after a format of the flash drive... Someone with more destructive viral programming ninjaness should give it a whirl me thinks.
As for the virus to destroy data upon plug in, very nice idea, I'm not sure how completely you could render the data unrecoverable however. Recovery of flash media is often a simple no brain needed recovery, even after a format of the flash drive... Someone with more destructive viral programming ninjaness should give it a whirl me thinks.
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120volts huh... hmmm... how about a virus that will force the motherboard's controller chip(CMOS, Southbridge, BIOS, whichever does that from the board) to give more power supply to the flash drive? say upon plugging the flash drive a program code will run and force 120v to the drive? is it possible?