DNR wrote:.... So even us elites must practise tolerance.
Sorry, but I think that is funny
DNR wrote:Think of this as a way to build your ethics. If you can temper yourself under fire here, then you will not be easily provoked in your non-internet life too.
And this is true, but I feel it to be a lil different, I suppose.
From my personal experience, if you can take the Internet *less* seriously, esp when people are on your case all the time and STILL not get pissed, you would have a higher "lashing-out" level IRL.
Since I learned this, it takes a fuckuva lot to get me pissed IRL, and I seriously doubt nothing can get me angry on the 'net.
No joke.
DNR wrote:Provoking someone to anger is an easy way to sabatoge that person. Don't let someone manipulate your emotions.
If you do it out of humour, like pissing someone off just to laugh at them it is actually funny:)
Which is where trolling/flaming comes in.
On the other hand, if you are the trollee/flamee, you have to learn to laugh and be witty, regardless what comes your way.
DNR wrote:The problem will never go away, so we continue to work on the solutions - such as banning together as a forum, sharing the same ethics, setting down the rules to exist in our online community.
*This* problem will likely go away. Repeat performances, however, will not.
Working as a community is a great idea. First and foremost, we are here to learn and instruct.
Since b_b set it out in his rules flaming isn't allowed, I will gladly abide by it. (Ok, I'm only human, sometimes not so gladly).
Separating the honest n00bs from the frontin' assholes is a time-consuming job, which is another reason (I am assuming) it is good as general practice not to flame ppl who end up here.
Since this is a private forum, we all have to abide by the rules (even some of which I have been guilty of breaking).
Flaming/Trolling for pleasure is actually an enjoyed by many. (HAND!).
If you don't believe me, Google "Trolls and Schopenhauer", courtesy of Fravia.
An important part of it however, is to be able to "take" insults and move right along, more often than not incorporating them into your reply.
DNR wrote:Spoil3r, you have another chance to make the right impression.
DNR
About to get long here. This is copied and pasted from alt.magick. For those of you who know USENET, Google it. For those who don't, Go to Google's homepage, find the GROUP "alt.magick" and search within the group for "DCS".
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From: Su - view profile
Date: Mon, Sep 26 2005 1:49 am
Email: "Su" <medusa...@yahoo.com.au>
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And you know what, LBG?
I might just equate to the tip of an iceberg, ya know.
C'mon you alt.magick lurkers ... let's put these old out-of-date egos
to rest. Pompous crap looked fine in the early 20th century but it
really does not cut the ice today.
As for my last post in response to "Su, can you Par A Digm?" ... let me
tell you hear and now, that it gives me no pleasure, or warmth in the
groin so to speak, to have to spell out my background. Let me explain
why ...
I will turn 53 in less than two weeks, so it seems obvious, to me
anyway, that a person of my age (with an almost lifelong commitment to
magic) will have covered a lot of ground. No big deal, she muses. It
worries/niggles the back of my mind that some folk will read my post as
some egotistical stance of "I know more than you do" kind of shyte ...
when nothing would seem further from the "truth".
I enjoy learning. I enjoy asking questions. One question just leads to
another, and that we all can share. Viva la adventure of life!
Su "
And my response:
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Date: Mon, Sep 26 2005 2:08 am
Email: LaBlueGirl <Yeahyour...@com.com>
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Su wrote:
> To LBG:
> My " feeble attempt at a poem" represented a satirical play on an old old
> song from the
> 1930's. Since I badly re-wrote those lyrics, this effort has bored more
> people, in terms of the lack of responses, than you probably have had sex
> with a donkey.
> No worries, from here, if you missed the innuendos.
O, don't worry, none taken.
> You want me to start this ball rolling eh?
Yeah, you start the tarball.
> "Su, can you Par A Digm?" you ask.
> Oh yes. Please allow me to introduce myself ...
/settles in and waits for the fun to begin/
> Enter stage left - one small woman with very long hair
(and glasses), don't forget
> flecked with
> silver. She smiles and for one brief second you find yourself
> wondering how they make glasses that thick..
> Please allow me to introduce myself
Ok.
> I'm a woman of wit and taste
> I've been around for a long, long year
It shows.
> Stole many a man's soul and faith ... *
and glasses.
> What would interest you?
Gee, let me think...
> We could start with woman, chaoist, muse, mad
Yup.
> piper at the gates of hell perhaps ... inspired or deranged?
No arguments so far.
> Who really
> knows, she amuses.
> I have three passions in life viz. magic, donkeys and stars (from > NASA
> to stellar mythos). Four if I consider that I love to dance. I have
> even danced at a jazz club with a 4' monster of a puppet and
> you have
> never seen a dance floor fill up so quick with people who wanted > to
> dance with my partner!
You get a cookie for being RETARDED.
> I have studied magic for a very long time,
And some throw money in a hat for it.
> if you want to know (my how
> time flies when you have fun with donkeys, she muses). The
> books came as
> philosophy,
> literature, astronomy, cosmology, c/k/qabalah, metaphysics, mythology,
> ancient languages, erotica ... that kind of stuff. I followed the lead
> from my own questions, filled in my gap and kept right on going. > I
> specialise in ancient Egyptian metaphysics, mediaevul alchemy,
Any modern alchemy, except your posting style?
> Judaic and Surfing mysticism, ceremonial magic
(yawn)
O wait, you're still talking?
Sorry...
> ... right through to modern
> self-hypnosis and self-induction of labor, neural linguistic
> programming,
> E-Prime, (HTML? Java? Perl?) astral magic and beyond.
I've nearly mastered HTML, does that count?
> Eventually, in terms of magic, I got tired of playing the
> ceremonial ho
> and
> went looking for my peers. I came across the post-modern
> chaos
> meta tags and found myself/ves and my glasses right at home
> with the
> professional street walker's
> mind-set that has the sense of humour to go the distance.
I'll bet...
> Pleased to meet you
> Hope you guessed my name,
Su from Syndey, with a lame pic to boot.
> oh yeah
> But what's confusing you
Is your awful corruption of the Stones
> Is just the nature of my game
> Just as every cop is a criminal
> And all the sinners saints
> As heads is tails
> Just call me Medusa
B/c when anyone looks at you the rays from your specs cause them to go
blind.
(Sorry, but you left yourself open for that one)
> 'cause I'm in need of some restraint
> So if you meet me
> Have some courtesy
and advise you to get a f*cking newsreader or a quoting style...
> Have some sympathy, and some taste
I like chicken, how 'bout you?
> Use all your well-learned politesse
> Or I'll lay your soul to waste ... *
Now I'm scared.
Yaaawn...
Still here?
Shite...
> * With apologies to "Sympathy for the Devil" by The Rolling
> Stones
Yeah, much apologies, really..
> I look forward to the magical discussions here
Keep on awaitin'... 'Cuz they sure ain't comin' this aways.
> Choyofaque!
> Su Leybourn (medusa161)
Ooooh, you posted your name.
Tsk Tsk.
LaBlueGirl aka Sunshine
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using this as an example more than illustrates the trolling techniques employed.
Here, this is true (er) flaming:
(the orignal post)
"From: Su - view profile
Date: Mon, Sep 26 2005 2:46 am
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LBG writes and I quote:
>
>"See all above.
>This is boring.
>Really.
>Not kidding.
>Nope.
>Really not.
>Uh-uh.
>Not even close to being interesting.
>Yawn
>O wait, you're still here?
>Still reading this far?
>What do you people do for fun in Australia?
>Not donkeys, I hope.
>Kangaroos?
>Maybe, but I don't want to hear about it, thanks.
>Marsupial, much?
>Once you go marsupial, you never go back.
>So I've been told.
>Viva Adventure Girl!!!
>Mi quera speaking la lingua Spanish!!
>Huh?
>G'day, mate!
>Fosters, Austraylieeyan foh beeyah
>Yaaawwnnn"
"Boring" only happens to small minds utilising minimal neural relays,
actually ...
Now that I understand your predicament LBG, I will go easy on you (no
worries).
Su
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and my response:
"From: LaBlueGirl - view profile
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Su wrote:
> When I wrote "I look forward to the magical discussions here", LBG
> relied with "Keep on awaitin'... 'Cuz they sure ain't comin' this
> aways'"
Yup. Wouldja like me to repeat myself?
Wouldja like me to repeat myself?
Wouldja like me to repeat myself?
Wouldja like me to repeat myself?
> What an effing shame when alt.magick could do so much better, > she
> muses.
Define "better".
And yes, it usually is more than this.
But when your kind comes here and foams at the mouth, this is what ya get.
Think, chaotes, think!
It can't be that hard!!!
(Ok, so maybe it is...)
> C'mon lurkers ...
Again( wouldja like me to repeat myself,
Wouldja like me to repeat myself?
Wouldja like me to repeat myself?
Wouldja like me to repeat myself?)
Ya'll are the lurkers
(sigh)
HOW many freakin' times do I haf to tellya???
Jeez, it is a pre-req to have a thick head, too?
> let's give these few paranoid folk with loud mouths
> spouting nothing,
# include <htstudio.h>;
class SU_it(ARGS*){
Define Let's.
Define give.
Define these.
Define paranoid.
Define folk.
Define with.
Define loud.
Define mouths.
Define spouting.
Define nothing.
}
I'm waiting.
> a run for their (imagined) understandings of magic!
> Sushi
Wasabi?
Pickled ginger?
Calee-for-ni-aye rolls?
YUM!!!
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HTH
LBG