coool, university hacking course

Bozebo · Post by **Bozebo** » 27 Jun 2006, 11:24

http://www.abertay.ac.uk/Courses/CDetai ... 63&Key=002

seems right for me

anyway... post ur views on it

Post by **Gogeta70** » 28 Jun 2006, 02:41

Hmm... it's a script kiddie's dream, that's for sure. Being spoon-fed all the way. Also, it's kinda hard to teach someone how to hack, it's more of an instict, exploring every single part of a program, or website, learning its strengths and weaknesses, and then taking advantage of its weakest point. If they can teach a person how to detect that, then i guess hacking is gonna get a whole lot funner, because even hackers mess up when securing stuff,

Bozebo · Post by **Bozebo** » 28 Jun 2006, 08:52

yeh i know, anyway im gonna take the web development course at the same uni instead

Lyecdevf · Post by **Lyecdevf** » 28 Jun 2006, 10:49

Yeah, I have heard about ethical hacking many times in the last few months. I do not know why that is so. Is this some thing new or has it become "cool" all of the sudden. Or maybe I am just new to the scene and I just happen to hear a lot about it.

I think that in a way it takes the fun and the mystery out of it. When you do this for a job I think that in a couple of years you wont get excited any more.

I am not sure wether I am right but as an annonimious hacker you have much more freedom. I am sure that those who do this for a job have strict guide lines. I am not sure that they can do any thing that thier hearts desire. I doubt they they are going to write an exploit code and post it on the net so they would get credit for that. They can only be white hat hackers and that sucks if you ask me.

Bozebo · Post by **Bozebo** » 28 Jun 2006, 13:00

ah well,
£50k p.a starting salary for the lowest salary career oppertunities, lol.. anyway yeh, bit its one of those things that is always changing

Post by **bad_brain** » 28 Jun 2006, 15:17

hm, well, 4 years is a long time for a course, what I´m missing is a detailed description of the content. "ethical hacking" can´t be teached, either you have strong morals anyway or not. what I don´t like about this course is that they try to make people think "hacking" is something you can learn which is bullshit. you can visit a regular web development course and get "hacking info" there too.
better look for a local "Linux User Group" and join them, you can make good connections there and they support the members with training for different Linux certificates (and because these user groups are non-commercial the courses are not expensive).
check here: http://www.linux.org/groups/united_king ... tland.html

Post by **DNR** » 01 Jul 2006, 09:55

Lyecdevf wrote:Yeah, I have heard about ethical hacking many times in the last few months. I do not know why that is so. Is this some thing new or has it become "cool" all of the sudden. Or maybe I am just new to the scene and I just happen to hear a lot about it.

I think that in a way it takes the fun and the mystery out of it. When you do this for a job I think that in a couple of years you wont get excited any more.

I am not sure wether I am right but as an annonimious hacker you have much more freedom. I am sure that those who do this for a job have strict guide lines. I am not sure that they can do any thing that thier hearts desire. I doubt they they are going to write an exploit code and post it on the net so they would get credit for that. They can only be white hat hackers and that sucks if you ask me.

I am glad you wrote this, it brings out two points -
1. ethical hacking - is it new?
2. hacking professionally is boring and are white hats only.

Ethics on the internet is courtesy, respect, and honesty. Back then, the internet was a scientific society, networking universities and even military insitutions. The courtesy to post clear communications was very important, they were helpful to others because they want to share intelligence. Respect of other people, and their equipment. Honesty not to harm another machine or person's work if you found an exploit. Too many people on the internet think their personality and anonymity is their right.

There are many grey hat security consulting groups, they started black hat even. I agree if you don't know how to break the 'rules' you can't begin to understand how crackers think to protect yourself.

Unfortunately times have changed, before there were no clear laws or legal recourse for hacking someone's system to prove an exploit exist. Now, hacking has to be done in a computer lab to avoid legal issues, even then cases of the worm or exploit escaping that computer lab has happened!

The wrong way to go about proving your skill is to hack a network without authorization, or releasing a virus or worm. Read the news.

People failed to be ethical, so now the governments have to step in and dictate our behavior...

DNR

Post by **bad_brain** » 01 Jul 2006, 13:30

very true DNR. many people which complain that the internet is "too regulated" don´t understand that it´s their own fault. it´s like using the neighbours backyard as a toilet every day and then complaining when he installs a surveillance camera. the intention of the internet (besides the military/science aspect at the very beginning) was free access to information for everybody. but what became out of it? childporn, fraud, mental masturbation by vandalizing sites, etc.....instead of acting ethical and so establishing a kind of self-regulation people (ab)used the net as a place where they acted like they wanted to because of "anonymity".

and this blackhat/whitehat-thing is a joke, there are only shades of grey...many people think whitehats know the "boring" stuff and blackhats the "cool" stuff, but it´s just a question WHAT you do with your knowledge and not a question of the knowledge itself....
and imo this is what hacking is about:knowledge...not attitudes

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